Mr. M’barek, in the film adaptation of Ferdinand committed by Schirach’s Bestseller “der fall Collini” are you as a lawyer to see that with a case of quarrels: He must find the killer of a man to defend, like a grandfather to him. Have you prepared yourself for this demanding role, in contrast to her signature role in the Comedy “Fack ju Göhte”?

Elyas M’barek: no, I always approach with the same seriousness of my roles. Most of all, I come to the Set and has to work. I experience myself differently, see things differently than usual. I need to hide the entire content of backgrounds, at least when Turning. I need even and especially a looseness to the camera hide.

Ferdinand von Schirach: The actual quality of Elyas is that he plays under. He “plays” never, as you would expect a lawyer, it is believed that he is actually a lawyer. No clichés, no Kitsch.

Herr von Schirach, you have the novel template comes. The main character – a young lawyer from a privileged, large bourgeois home – is clearly based on your own biography. How is it that you keep Elyas M’barek for the ideal occupation?

Schirach: I was happy when I heard, that Elyas will play the main role. He is also in the comedies I’ve seen – it is an extraordinary actor, serious and credible. Caspar Leinen, the lawyer says in the book, is a young man who turns against his family, against the people who are close to him promoted. To understand that there is no right life in the wrong is to be conflict. Very often there were such people who changed the history.

You could also say: treason.

Schirach: the betrayal of what used to be called “the class”, of their own origin. Think of the Marquis de La Fayette, for me, one of the most interesting figures of the French Revolution. He comes from one of the oldest families of France, as he is not yet 17 years old, arranged a marriage to a Duchess. He is at this time probably the richest man in France. He participates in the war of independence in America and posted later with the American Ambassador in Paris, Thomas Jefferson – the Declaration of human and citizens ‘ rights. Your first sentence is: “people are born free and equal in Rights and remain there.” Shortly before the Bastille fell, and thus the rule of the nobility, so in its class.


“Collini” was Ferdinand committed by Schirach’s first novel. Also Elyas M’barek is entering new territory with the role of the young lawyer of Conscience. Author and actor worked closely together.

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Not bad. What a traitor you admire?

Schirach: George Washington wore at the signing of the American Constitution, a set of Teeth from the teeth of his slaves, on his plantation, about 400 black forced labourers were employed. Nevertheless, the signed Constitution grants to every person the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Or think of Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the most influential philosophers of the 19th century. Century. His father is a Protestant pastor, he grew up in a deeply religious family. Nietzsche will later explain: God is dead. That’s why it was smart to occupy Elyas. Through him, the conflict, the betrayal is more visible. And the cinema must be so offensive.

At the beginning of this work, a joint, in the evening, at the end they gave Elyas M’barek, one of their beloved cigarette cases. How important was it that you came close to one another?

Schirach: Even if Elyas and I are different, we have similar claims to what we do professionally. We have understood on this level immediately.

M’Barek: I don’t knew Ferdinand personally, but all of his books. I remember when I turned up at the time, the Film “Turkish for beginners”, I was located in Thailand in the hammock, and Ferdinand’s first book, “crimes” on the piece devoured.

Schirach: I did not know.

M’Barek: When I got the offer to play the “fall Collini”, I could believe it hardly. My brother is rather disinterested, when I meet famous people. But when he heard that I meet Ferdinand von Schirach, and with him working, he was completely out of the house. For me, it was an incredibly pleasant together, and I was very proud that he sees me in the role.

still, Robert Mitchum?

M’Barek: you mean, because he said playing on his Art to: No acting required?

This is also not considered your personal style: that to the show notes you Play.

M’Barek: to Me, much else remains, I’ve never been to a drama school. And indeed, I’m not a Fan of it, if you can watch an actor in the Play.

they have complained several times about the fact that you are mostly offered roles with a migration background. Now this is exactly what happened: For the Film of this Caspar, has received a linen, suddenly a Turkish mother missed.

M’Barek: Sorry, I don’t think in this case, for once. It was one of my wishes. And it was a very important art. The Caspar in the Film, a different origin has linen as the Caspar in the novel and someone who had to fight for everything, and is always underestimated. This is all the more exciting because he fights in the Film, even against a supposed Superiority and still not get the best of you.


Director Marco Kreuzpaintner has created with “The fall Collini” a smart, great-occupied Thriller (photo: Franco Nero, Elyas M’barek) about the murder of a former Nazi officer. Unfortunately, the Film succumbs to some of the Points to the desire for the Pathos.

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Why had to to it, but this Underdog attitude, the half-Turkish lawyer that goes in between the boxes? A bit too much cliché, right?

Schirach: no, that is not an attitude. A writer must truly write, and that’s why I told you my world, of my Childhood told. Caspar Leinen in the book grows up in a bourgeois world, he is a kind of Hanno Buddenbrook, the remote is things. But a Film can make different of course, more visible. The viewers need to understand immediately. Apart from that: If you believe that only migrants would be boxes you are wrong.

Because Hipster is now also so fond of to go boxes?

Schirach: In the old universities, Cambridge and Oxford Boxing nobles students since 200 years in the oldest.Clubs test. And Caspar Leinen, is not a Boxer with a broken nose, but a more careful, sensitive, doubting man.

Are oriented to all of the lawyer figures that stand at the centre of their narratives, their own personality?

Schirach: some more, Some less.

you can avoid it, to talk about their grandfather, Baldur von Schirach, convicted of crimes against humanity to 20 years in prison. In the “Fall Collini” turns out to be a beloved grandfather as a Nazi offender. This is probably chosen deliberately so.

Schirach: of Course, everything I write, I write deliberately. Otherwise it is not.

Only in her family, no secrets. Everyone knew what did her grandfather.

Schirach: Yes, his crimes are open to the public, he is a historical figure.

you have seen him. But the files of the Nuremberg trials. Could you ever understand how the Psyche of this offender ticked?

Schirach: In the Second world war, more than 55 million soldiers and civilians died, the Nazis murdered six million Jews. My grandfather was for the Deportation of the Jews from Vienna was responsible for her murder. He heard Heinrich Himmler’s speech in Posen in 1943, Himmler spoke quite openly of it, that all Jews should be killed. The judges in the Nuremberg trials, did not know this speech. I have read, it is one of the most brutal documents of the Nazi period. If you ask me: I can’t understand how my grandfather was, he was. He could have chosen any other profession.

German movie-charts “Collini” with Elyas M’Barek starts to place three dpa

For example?

Schirach: Until his fourth birthday, he spoke only English, his father was the General and artistic Director of the Weimar theatre, and his mother came from one of the wealthiest families in America, as a Student, he rode every Morning in the English garden in Munich. He would have to go to New York and the banker, the world was open to him. He deliberately chose again and again for the crime, for the Dull and Dark. His fault is not to weigh more.

Mr M’barek, you are half-Austrians, were probably grandparents, who lived in the third Reich. Like the one in your family, it was asked there?

M’Barek: as in most families, not at all. This is due to the fact that my grandparents are died early. I would like to talk to you about it, would like to know how you have experienced. Later, it was never talked about. There is also a large displacement was noticeable even in the families of my friends. It just wasn’t talked about, which is a pity.

you Have encountered Victims of or even perpetrators personally?

M’Barek: I suppose that I have met some, but never consciously. Particularly, the perpetrators were not known. It is also in our Film: Nazis, forged in the Federal laws so that you and your same could not be prosecuted and criminal came free, and as Hans Meyer were in the Film, later, in Public, even well-respected citizens.

The so-called screwdriver-law of 1968, with the countless Nazi crimes, suddenly as time-barred were.

Schirach: Eduard Dreher had been in the NS-time Prosecutor at a special court in Innsbruck. There he was known as a particularly ruthless. In Germany he quickly became a career civil servant in the Ministry of justice. Up to the end of his life, he remained highly respected. In the 60s he authored a bill that led to the fact that most of the killers of national socialism could not be traced. This law was not so complicated and at the same time invisible, that the members of the Bundestag 1968 realized what they decided in reality.

you speak of a “second guilt”.

Schirach: It is in this Film, so this is less about the NS-time, but to our country, to our state debt, which had invited the Germans in the young Federal Republic. I, myself, would have made this movie probably very different, in Black-and-White, without music, only a few dialogues outside of the courtroom. But it was perfectly true, as the film’s Director Marco Kreuzpaintner and the producers have made it. Through this movie now, but history may come to the consciousness of a wide Public. I’m grateful for that.

you don’t have to go back so far. Only in 2016, a judge in North Rhine-was sued-Westphalia, by his own justice Department, because he had helped survivors of the Nazi Victims ‘ pensions for their forced labour.

Schirach: Yes. It is to be understood for us today, what happened at that time. The German post-war justice has made terrible judgments. You only have to think of the process against Theodor Pillich 1963. Pillich, a simple soldier, a member was in the war of a pioneer unit and got a day of vacation.

M’barek: The holidays were there?

Schirach: Yes, strange, isn’t it? Most of the soldiers slept on such days well. Not so Pillich. He volunteered to a firing squad. He literally said that he wanted to do something “meaningful”. On this day, he shot and killed at least 162 people. Pillich has not been classified in the Federal court as an assistant, as a murderer. He got three years and three months in prison for his 162-fold murder.

For the figure in the “Fall Collini” have you taken the SS man Friedrich Engel. Why him?

Schirach: in 2002, a trial against the members of the SS Friedrich Engel, the German police was conducted in Hamburg-in-chief in Genoa,. Angel had ordered due to a partisan attack on a military cinema in retaliation, he had 59 prisoners on the Turchino Pass in Liguria shoot. In the Federal Republic, he was sentenced to seven years in prison. The Federal court of justice quashed the judgment, however, because, allegedly, the murder trait of cruelty was not proven sufficiently. Angel was classified as a homicide assistant, not as a murderer. And as a homicide assistant, his action was time-barred because of the screwdriver-law. But, you know, what is the Absurd?


Schirach: The case law of the Federal Republic of Germany was followed, after 1945, actually the “leader principle” of the Nazi era. Only the highest leadership of the Nazis, such as Hitler, Goering or Himmler were considered as a murderer, all the others were just helpers. And the screwdriver-law were time-barred their terrible deeds with a single blow. Imagine only once, that until a short time prior to this law, the hitherto most extensive investigations against the perpetrators of the Nazi regime were, the Processhren against the Reich security main office. Eleven state attorneys were busy, there were over 150,000 files folder. According to the law, the files had to be Packed again.

In the Film are such shooting scenes. It is important to show it so dramatically? There is currently a debate about whether or not you should took the victims of national socialism artistic Association.

Schirach: In the Film, it is necessary to show these scenes.

Between Adorno who said that it was barbaric to write a poem after Auschwitz and the Holocaust-enactment in the Video for the Band Rammstein have a long way to …

Schirach: you are right, it is complicated. The Auschwitz trials took place from 1963 onwards. They tried to the Holocaust, especially the Nazi crimes in the concentration camp Auschwitz, to prepare and to penetrate. The court was then shown everything, every detail made public. But in reality, only a few were interested. In 1979, but delivery on TV, “the story of The family Weiss”, an American series by Marvin J. Chomsky. Was told the story of a Jewish doctor’s family at the time of the national socialism. The films reached a huge audience, and, at last, has been widely discussed over the acts of barbarism of the German past. Maybe it’s not different, we sometimes need to have a different, non-academic representation, to Wake up. Therefore, I think that is allowed.

How drastic a representation be?

Schirach: Anselm Kiefer, one of the leading visual artists of our time, whom I greatly admire, has also selected very dramatic presentations. Art, literature and Film may show the horrors, as long as it is serious and not just jokes or advertising.

M’Barek: I think that any opportunity that can call this horror, the next generations, in memory, is important. And we have to warn of right-wing populism, exclusion, and again and again point out what happened. I think it is to say but important that we have a shot with “The fall Collini” is also an exciting Thriller that also addresses today’s moral issues.

A key moment in the Film, those in which the question is asked is: It is right, but it is also?

Schirach: The civil rights activist Bärbel Bohley was disappointed after the reunification of Germany. She said: We wanted justice and the rule of law. This difference between law and justice has to us today as it was then. Elyas has played in this conflict particularly impressive, he does this kind of despair, it felt to me he has touched.

This vague feeling that you feel with the defendants in the Film, is clearly a murderer. But you feel its fact.

Schirach: Franco Nero, is a Hero of my Childhood, playing the incredibly. The audience knows it, how he will act next.

M’Barek: We touch a lot of great themes in the movie, but for me, this is the decisive Moment, the question arises as to whether it was okay that the man has taken revenge and self-justice.

And, was it okay?

M’Barek: I, personally, can answer the question with a clear no. But, nevertheless, it is indeed all about how the audience will answer this question for yourself.

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